Sunday, September 25, 2016

Remove Gallstones, Not The Gallbladder!

My name is Lawren and I had a gallstone for years. It caused me pain intermittently at first, one attack every 2 months or so. I thought I was having muscle cramps in my back because the pain completely referred to my back just under my right shoulder blade. I was living up in the mountains and didn’t go to the hospital although the pain was really bad. I’d just lay on my heating pad and suffer through it. That was easier than taking a two-hour car ride to the hospital without my heating pad just to receive what I thought would just be muscle relaxants. Well I moved away from the mountains and now live about 10 minutes from a great hospital. So in June 2015 I figured I’d had enough pain and I had no more excuses for not going to the hospital. So off I went. Come to find out, I had a gallstone and the pain was caused by gallbladder attacks not muscle cramps. The hospital recommended a surgeon and recommended I have my gallbladder out as soon as possible.

In the weeks and months that followed, I went from doctor to doctor and surgeon to surgeon to find another solution. I was not a fan of the idea of having a useful organ taken out. But no, every answer was “you need to have your gallbladder removed” and it seemed like the longer time went on, the more condescending and flabbergasted the doctors were. How could I be so stupid? It’s just an organ, it’s not vital, you can lead a totally normal life without it.

About a year after my diagnosis in June 2015, I’d tried everything. Or so I thought. I’d done several gallbladder flushes (grapefruit juice and olive oil, taking Epsom salt before and after), Gold coin grass as tea and supplements, I did a vegetable juice cleanse for four weeks (so awful, and even more awful because my gallstone only grew in size during that time), and even tried apple cider vinegar and honey in hot water. Nothing helped. I was eating a fat free diet for over a year while I was trying these different remedies and looking for some alternative for surgery.

(Side Note: I do believe gallbladder flushes work to empty out the contents of your gallbladder and ultimately help your situation. But if you have a stone that is too big to pass through the very small ducts of the biliary system, you'll either get the stone stuck in the duct which leads to jaundice, infection and an emergency ERCP or you'll just end up in pain and your gallstone will plug your gallbladder. So it is helpful in some situations, such as my parents' situations (they both have sludge from time to time), but it was not helpful in mine.)

Eventually, I ran out of time. Thankfully I was living with my parents because in August 2016 I was in constant pain with my gallbladder. I had to lay on my heating pad most of the day, every day. I finally gave in and scheduled my surgery with a very qualified surgeon that I was confident would do an expert job with the cholecystectomy. The wait list for this surgeon had me scheduled for September 14, 2016. My general practitioner was able to prescribe a painkiller to help me last til then. Emotionally, I felt so defeated. Why wasn’t there an alternative? It’s my body and I’d rather risk re-occurrence of my gallstones than have the organ removed. And for doctors to say that people go on to live normal healthy lives just isn’t true. Are there some? Sure. The majority? Perhaps. But a quick google search will reveal myriads of people with countless numbers of side effects and issues that they’re dealing with after having a cholecystectomy. And once the organ is out, that’s it, you’re up a creek. They don’t transplant gallbladders.

As the day approached for my surgery, I kept looking for an alternative but mainly my concerns turned to my surgery and what exactly was involved. I work in the medical field as a CNA and I’m not squeamish, so when I discovered that I could watch an entire Laparoscopic Cholecystectomy on youtube, I was quite intrigued. I watched several. But I noticed in the videos that they use little titanium clips to squash and seal the neck of the gallbladder. It left this little stump (that’s the official name for it apparently) that looked so unnatural. What is your body supposed to do with that? Why couldn’t they stitch the tube shut? Seemed like it’d be a lot more natural for your body to heal. Another google search revealed that people have had lots of issues with the clips. Some have even had the clip migrate into their bile duct (it’s an exit and the body was obviously trying to get rid of it) and it caused a blockage which necessitated another procedure, like ERCP. Needless to say, I was not thrilled. I felt even more hopeless. Not only was I going to be losing an organ, I was going to have metal left inside my body. Probably not a big deal to most (like those who support amalgam/mercury tooth fillings), but it was beyond disappointing to me. I more frantically tried to find an alternative and against all odds, I found it. I found the alternative and it is the reason for this blog.

China
Yes, I found out, through the blog of an Estonian man living in London, that my answer was lying in China. Through his blog ( whatisgallstone.com ) I found the English website for a hospital in China that is home to a surgeon who invented and has pioneered gallstone removal surgery. ( nogallstones.com ) In fact, he engineered the tools he uses to do the procedure and has them manufactured in Germany. Reading their website was such a breath of fresh air. I’d been treated like I was an idiot by the Doctors in my homeland yet here was a Doctor in China who was speaking the words that I believe with all my heart. Our body was not made with extra parts. Preserving the wholeness of the body is worth the fight. You can live with one kidney, but when faced with the possible loss of a kidney people fight! Its your organ, it serves a known purpose. It preserves your bodies delicate systems. Why do something irreversible, like removing your gallbladder if you don’t have to?

For another experience/testimonial go to: thebodymind.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/my-miracle-gallbladder-surgery

I was ecstatic, my parents and I contacted the hospital and sent them my most recent tests. They approved me, we bought tickets, and they sent an invitation letter which made getting the Chinese Travel Visa a breeze. It’s a long flight from Florida to Guangzhou, China. But we made it, without incident. Our wonderful liaison and Doctor, Nataly, met us at the airport on Monday, September 12 2016. She escorted us to the Hospital, about a 45 min drive.

They are very thorough, thoughtful, careful and professional. They took some blood and did an X-ray on Monday after I arrived. Tuesday morning they did an ultrasound and a CT and then Tuesday afternoon they approved me for surgery. They told me that my gallbladder had actually enlarged since the ultrasound I had sent them. My gallstone was stuck in the neck of my gallbladder and that was why I was in constant mild pain. I’d arrived not a moment too soon, thank goodness! Wednesday morning, I showered and then they came to start my IV and prep me for surgery. The nurse that started my IV did so good, flawless. I have very small veins. **Over the year I was having severe gallbladder attacks, I was in the emergency room 8(?) times (I lost count) they always had trouble finding my veins, both for taking blood and for starting IVs. Every time I’ve gone for blood tests at a lab, save maybe once or twice, I’ve been the human pin cushion. Time and again I’ve been told to come back another day so that they can try again later because my veins just aren’t cooperating.**

Where were we? So my lovely nurse found my vein and started the IV with ease. And that was it. I was ready. The took me to the surgical floor of the building, which was just state of the art I might add, and wheeled me into the surgical suite. My anesthesiologist told me “don’t worry” and before I knew it I was waking up and back in my own bed. The surgery only lasted an hour. Super quick. I was already on my way to recovery. For the next three days they kept a close watch over me and made sure I had everything I needed and more. By Sunday morning, my parents and I were on our way to our hotel. The city was amazing. Its twice as big as NYC and has the most amazing skyscrapers. The metro, their subway system, was so big and clean. It really puts NYC’s subways to shame. Monday, my mom and I took the metro to a mall and went souvenir shopping and Tuesday My parents and I went to the Chimelong Safari Park. We saw the pandas of course, but also saw a mind-blowing amount of the most happy, healthy tigers and tiger kittens you’ve ever seen! What an impressive zoo, also very clean, just spotless! Also, by Tuesday I was feeling great; we walked for several miles so my feet were tired and hurting but that was the extent of my pain.

Overall, this was probably the most surreal experience of my life. I never would have seen myself traveling to China, much less traveling there for surgery. But it’s a real shame all the bias in the media against China. We were treated with so much respect, we felt safe wherever we went and couldn’t have been more impressed by the massiveness and cleanliness of the city.

I hope this account helps people who are looking to keep their gallbladder. I hope that it will give people hope. I say hope because the surgeon, Dr. Qiao (Chow), is very careful. He has a perfect record. I couldn’t believe it myself but our doctor explained how it works. In the US and many countries, they will operate on you even if there are contraindications. Why? Because you signed a waiver of course. **I went to my pre-op here in Florida (before I found out I was going to be able to cancel the cholecystectomy) and that paperwork is scary. Part of it says you understand there are no guarantees that this surgery will fix your problem and another says that you understand that you can die during surgery and that you can’t sue if you do. Lovely, right?** Well the paper work I signed in China not only had my signature but also a formal promise from both the surgeon and the anesthesiologist, respectively, and then their signatures as well. That was so comforting, and that is unheard of in the US. What surgeon is going to sign paperwork to give to you promising to be sober minded and do a good job. I dare anyone to find me a general surgeon that does that.

This changed my life. I was back to eating a normal diet on Sunday. I finally had normal food for lunch. I couldn’t believe how fast the recovery was going and how real the results were. I was nervous to have any fat, but I did anyway. To my most pleasant surprise, no pain. None. I still haven’t had any pain. I’ve had caramel corn and chocolate, I’ve had Thai coconut curry, chicken tacos, pizza etc. I’m ecstatic! The surgery currently costs $5,500 USD. It includes everything, there are no hidden costs. They provided beds for my parents so that they could stay with me in a large room that also had sofas and Satellite TV. They brought us all three delicious meals a days. The price even included the medicine they sent me home with.

I wish you, my readers, the very best and I’m happy to answer any and all questions. The hospitals website as well as their staff are very informative and reply quickly.


Thanks for reading my story!

51 comments:

  1. Hi Lawren
    Theresa here and thank you so much for posting your most valued account of your gallstone removal operation in China. I have been to China (Western part) back in 2012 for six weeks and experienced the kindness, welcoming friendliness and utmost respect from the many people I met there. I went to Kunming (to stay with a friend and her family), Dali and Lijang in the Yunnan province, also Chongqing and Chengdu provinces where two other friends live. The exceptional attention we received was almost embarrassing because we felt it puts us Australians to shame. This leaves me to want to get this medical procedure more recognition and acceptance from the outside world of China. I have just returned from Bali and had a gallstone attack and visited the hospital and the service was way much faster with getting to see a doctor. In Australia everything happens slowly. I have also experienced fantastic medical treatment in Vietnam a few years ago. The cost of this operation is expensive for me however, in about a month, China Airlines are starting direct flights from my home city, Adelaide, South Australia to Guangzhou. Very tempting!

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  2. From an American perspective as well we felt like there were so many things that the Chinese did better. We felt so cared for and respected, it was very refreshing! I'm glad you appreciated my experience and I hope to help as many as possible take advantage of this opportunity : ) but you are right, airfare and the surgery are expensive for sure! I mean the surgery to us was very inexpensive but because we didn't think insurance would pay then it does make it expensive. Since the time I wrote my blog we filed an insurance claim with our carrier over here and they actually are paying for it! We couldn't believe it! I hope you can save up and go and get your gallbladder fixed, I am so sorry for your pain. I know how miserable it is! Best of wishes to you!

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    1. Hi Lawren hope you are going well. Sometime ago you mentioned being covered by your insurance. Please could you elaborate on how you managed that. Do you have a special cover for travel and health? You can message on my email if you wish at theresajleach@yahoo.com. I am still hanging onto my gall bladder but it has been more troublesome lately. Kind regards Theresa

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    2. Hi Theresa,

      We didn't have anything special as far as travel insurance or anything like that. We just have a decent regular health insurance policy and then submitted a claim. We had met our deductible because of how many times I had to go to the emergency room so that's another reason they covered the whole cost.

      Hope that helps! I'm glad to hear that you're fighting to keep your gallbladder! I've been pain free for a year and a half now and I don't regret going for the gallstone removal surgery one bit.

      Lawren

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  3. Thank you for posting your experience. I am seriously thinking of making a trip to China to have the Gallstone removal surgery. Would it be ok if I called you sometime?

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  4. Yes, feel free to email me! borinlawren@gamil.com

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  5. Hi,
    Thank you for sharing your experience.
    I am planning to go to China, I don't want to lose my gallbladder. I am a little bit scare, but your story encourage me a lot.
    Thank you again,
    Evie

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    1. Awesome Evie! So glad I could help, please let me know if you have any questions 😄

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  6. Hi Lawren,

    I am planning to go to China by the end of this year. My husband already took his vacation day this year, so we need to wait until Christmas holiday.
    Since January 28, after the last attack, which made me end up in a hospital, I don't have anymore attack. and I hope I won't get another of this pain attack until we go to china ( I am in a very strict diet, no milk, no butter, no chocolate, no cheese, no more fatty food, just veggies and fruits, and also peppermint tea really help me a lot) it's hard, but I have no choice.

    I have a few questions, would it be OK if I email you sometimes?

    Thank you so much Lawren,
    Evie

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  7. Hello Lawren,

    thanks so much for your support by answering our many questions. To help spread the word we have also created our own blog to add our experiences to yours;

    https://savegallbladder.blogspot.com.au/

    Mark and Marilou

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  8. Hi Lawren, I hope you don't mind me posting my blog site. Because of your help answering all of my questions, I made my decision to have the surgery as well. The China doctors and nurses were wonderful! I am able to eat anything I want now. ;-) Thanks again Lawren for helping others by sharing your story. http://mygallbladderpreservationstory.blogspot.com/

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    1. I don't mind at all! So happy for your positive experience!

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  9. hi lawren how are you now? can you please email to me your ultrasound or ct scan? i am now heading for this surgery this coming november 8 or maybe on october 23 depending on when i will be able to get my chinese visa. my mother actually wanted me to do my surgery here in the philippines which is removal of the gallbladder as she is worried about what you will gonna do if there's an issue after your surgery? did you feel any post surgery effect?

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    1. Hi there, sorry for replying to you so late. The ultrasound that I had when I got back to the US showed that I still had a little bit of sludge. Since then I have been in communication with the hospital and they gave me some different things that are natural to get rid of the sludge but I have not had an ultrasound since then. I also haven't had any pain since the surgery whatsoever. I don't have health insurance so that is part of why I haven't had an ultrasound in about 6 months.

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    2. Hi Gil,
      I hope you are well. Have you managed to go to China yet ?

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  10. Gil, how much do you have to pay for this op ? Have you scheduled your op via the nogallstones.com website ?

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  11. you can see it in the surgery cost section of their site.

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    1. nope, the webpage www.nogalstones.com is hosted by a re-seller of the op. The real price is much much lower than that.

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    2. nogallstones.com is not a re-seller. They are the hospital and this is their way of making the surgury available to foreigners who are not a part of the chinese healthcare system.

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    3. No, Lawren. I have contacted many people and all of them said that they are re-sellers. They even host a webpage in Russian: http://kamneynet.com/ . They cooperate with the hospital.

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    4. Apparently those re-sellers are working at the Hospital then, as the people we spoke to via email then and since were there at the hospital the entire time we were. Where did you find the real price and how do you arrange it? I heard from one person that they may have been re-sellers, but that person had another doctor perform their operation, not Dr Qiao.

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    5. It was written on Eugene's blog, he said that they are re-sellers, so called international section of the hospital. You can not find a hospital address on their website. Also, one guy from Kazachstan I talked to, confirmed that they are re-sellers. If you want to do it by yourself, you need to contact dr. Qiao by yourself.

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    6. I considered the question of whether 'they' were resellers before we went, and I figured that the hospital may have contracted out services for foreign patients, but having met the people I had talked to via email I figured they worked for hospital as they certainly acted like staff. However even if they aren't, and they are contractors/resellers, it doesn't bother me as they were as caring as the staff and they touched our hearts as much as the doctors. They did a brilliant job relaxing and looking after nervous foreigners for our entire stay, and we will never forget them.

      If their service costs made the operation a lot more expensive than normal, it was money well spent, as without their English language website and the services they provided I would never have been able to get my Wife over to China for the operation. It was hard enough as it was with family and friends against it. In my mind, dwelling on whether the people are resellers or work for the hospital is missing the point completely, and if someone is able to deal direct with the Chinese and save themselves some money, good luck to them. If we ever have to do the trip again, we would use the same people.

      One big point to make - the reference you make to resellers on Eugene's blog is correct, there is a single reference, but as I said, that lady was operated on by Dr Wang Gang. If you go through their English website you get Dr Qiao, who is the best there is.

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    7. Hi Gil, how was your op ?

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  12. Hi Lawren,

    How is your gallbladder now ? Still in good shape ?

    Thanks.

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    1. My gallbladder is still doing good. I'm due for a new ultrasound this week actually.

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    2. Hi, Lawren,

      How was your us check ? Is everything ok ? Cheers !

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    3. Sorry for such a late reply, my gallbladder is still good. I have a little bit of sludge now but I have not been eating very smart. I am now 3 years post surgery and still have had no pain. Were I to get gallstones again, I would go back to China in a heartbeat.

      All the best,
      Lawren

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  13. How do we make sure we get past the resellers? Is there a direct email contact for Dr Qiao?

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  14. Just came across this article about Chinese hospital spruikers.
    https://mashable.com/2016/03/02/china-hospital-scalpers/#EL6pUnHcAsq7

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    1. Hello Theresa,

      you do realise the people you talk to through the website are working at the hospital? It has been said often enough! To compare them to the spruikers referred to in that link is a disgrace. They really touched our hearts, and looked after us very well, and like I said, without them I would never had gotten my wife over there for the operation. They are worth their weight in gold, and I can't thank them enough.

      For anyone reading this, don't let the scalper reference put you off - take it from people that have been there. The doctors and staff at the hospital really care, which is something you don't always see here in the west.

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  15. Hi SaveGallBladder
    Apologies for the misunderstanding that the spruikers seem like they are connected with the hospitals. I have just spoken to my Chinese friends and they are of the opinion that people independent of the hospitals ask for payment to stand in the queues for them. Quite an ingenuous way of cooperation and I realise things are done differently in other countries, especially to earn a bit of income. I was mostly alarmed at the previous comments about the online sellers so I did a bit of searching myself on the topic. BTW , my friends said that what the First People's Hospital charge is about right for the time of stay given to the patient and support person.

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  16. This surgery is real. I went to China and have been back now a month and I feel great. The doctor who did my surgery was not Dr. Chiao it was Dr. Wang who learned the surgery from Dr. Chiao. I think you have to specifically ask for Dr. Chiao to do your surgery otherwise Dr. Wang will perform it. The new hospital will be completed in October (this is what I was told by Nataly). I traveled by alone and came back business class, which was very helpful...I needed the sleep and reclining chair. I wouldn't have been able to make this decision if it hadn't been for all of you putting up your blogs and I'm extremely grateful. Thanks again, I feel I have my life back.

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    1. how much did you spent on this surgery?

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    2. I spent about $5500 USD but that was 3 years ago.

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    3. I will be securing a flight to china and hopefully i could have my surgery not later than September Lawren..

      and I saw in your testimonials that your father is also undergone on this procedure? how is he now?

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    4. Both of my parents had the surgery a year after me. They are both doing well, no attacks, no pain. Nataly took good care of them as well and they both agree that they would go back to China should they form gallstones again. Which is possible for all of us since clearly it runs in the family.

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    5. Gil, my surgery cost wasn't much more than Lawren's. I spent about $5700, but the price they are charging now should be posted on their page. You may be a little surprised when you reach the hospital because it is rundown, but they are building a new hospital, although it's taking a bit longer than anticipated. The contractors keep changing the date on them. Nataly was very helpful and kind, however if you are traveling alone like I did, make sure that you have your money in RMB no matter when you make payment. It will be difficult if you expect to exchange currency after surgery-obviously. If you have any questions let me know. This experience was very surreal for me. I never had any expectations of going to China, but after going I have a desire to travel there again :) Best of luck to you, I think you will be very happy to be feeling better soon.

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    6. Hello Gil, its interesting they are still waiting for the new hospital, as it was due by the end of the year when we went over, which was May 2017. The hospital is rough by western standards and quite obviously old, but my Wife said the operating theater was spotless, and the staff are excellent. It is nice to hear Natalie is still working there, as she is worth her weight in gold - she was the one who met us at the airport at 5am! Marilou has been symptom free and healthy for over 2 years now.

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  17. So glad everything went smoothly for you, business class is definitely smart if you can afford it! Nataly is so kind and helpful, we really appreciate her ☺️ Glad you are pain free!

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  18. Business class was definitely a stretch for my pocketbook, but I have always needed extra time to heal and tried to think how that would happen sitting up for an over 13 hour plane flight. Everyone I met at the hospital was very nice and helpful. The process is very quick and healing goes quicker than I expected. So happy I went!

    I met an Australian woman there who took her 13 year old daughter that was suffering from gallbladder pain, but healing nicely from the surgery when I left. I wish more doctors would make this surgery available to people who want it. I wouldn't mind having to do this surgery more than once...at least I would have a choice on how I want to heal my body. Thanks again for keeping this blog going as it helped me and probably will help others :) Best wishes to your health!

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    1. thanks for the information do you have any photos that you can share? thank you. again what is your name? i'm gil..

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    2. My name is Maribel. I do have pictures and video...I'm thinking of putting up a blog of my own, but have been busy healing and taking care of my boys that I haven't had time. I'll post a link here when things calm down a bit.

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    1. It appears that Dr.Kym removes the gallbladder, not just the stones. But I have had no experience with Dr.Kym.

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  21. Hi Lawren, Thanks for sharing your experience. I want to have the same surgery and have emailed you about questions I have. Hope you will reply. Thanks Alfredo

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  22. How can I contact Dr Qiao or staff to learn how I can go for operation. Is there email contact for Nataly (staff for Dr Qiao) who can organize and make plans for me?

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  23. Hello! I'm interested in this surgery, but the website no longer works (nogallstones.com). Do you have a direct email or number for their office? Also, do you remember the name of the hospital? Thanks!

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  24. Surgeons for gallbladder removal, known as cholecystectomy, are skilled medical professionals specializing in this minimally invasive procedure. They possess the expertise to safely and effectively remove the gallbladder, often due to gallstones or other gallbladder-related issues. These surgeons use advanced techniques to ensure patient comfort and swift recovery.

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